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MG: new naga sketches by mooncalfe MG: new naga sketches by mooncalfe
working on redesigns of Naga for new Mountain Girl. no more naked Naga! ;)

really rough and simple right now. i think i want there to be some accessories/accoutrements on her outfit, like beads or tooth/bone jewelry or stuff dangling around or maybe designs painted onto the hide/skin. not sure yet, still have to work on it more.

the shark skin poncho isn't an outfit in itself, she'll only wear it when it's stormy weather or whatever.
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LisaGorska Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2009
no more naked? why? :?

not that i'm against it, nor am i supporting it, just wondering what made you change your mind. :)

i'm in love with your character sketches. :)
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mooncalfe Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2009
thanks!! glad you like this stuff. :)

the two main reasons for no more nudity are i wanted MG to be more potentially all-ages instead of being boxed in as "adult," and that in this new re-launch, Naga is only 13 years old. :XD: it's a tough line, because in the context of the Mountain Girl world and its culture, those two things shouldn't matter, but the sad reality is that i live in America and things don't work like that here, or in many other countries, too.

here's an exchange i had where i go more into detail about it: [link] :)
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LisaGorska Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2009
:) thank you for that. ;P let me continue a bit. i'm skinny but i still associate with Naga. :) cause i see nothing in common with those wonderwoman types of superheroines superbullshit, but Naga and some of the Wet Moon girls, yes, we've got stuff in common - like common sense and imperfections in character, for instance. ;P :)

you know, there's this book called "Faces of Africa", i've been studying it lately, and, hah, does it even get published in America? with all the underage nudity? :) and it's a great book, i really got into African detail thanks to it, amazing; also, i love the fact that many african tribes don't feel shame of their own bodies. i'm still puzzled as to why the modern northern world has such a problem with nudity. ( i am part of that world, no, i don't walk around naked :XD: :) i don't want to offend my family)

when i saw your stuff in elfwood years ago, i immediately fell in love with them, especially with the abyssals, where you lavishly mixed horror with tribal african (and some asian?) styles. and thank you forever that you did. of all the exalted illustrations i've seen none match yours in enchanting me so.

nude or non-nude, i love your characters. i wish one day you wouldn't have to bend your artistic visions because of people's narrowmindedness.
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mooncalfe Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2009
i think we have Faces of Africa here, yeah! i have a couple other books by Carol Beckwith, the photographer. it's a really different thing, though, for some reason. the nudity there, even the underage nudity, is accepted by North American (and likely South American, European, and Asian countries and Australia, too) people because it's either because it's not sexual, or because many people still view African cultures as extremely "other" or "exotic," so they "excuse" the nudity, whether that's good or bad.

and i think there's also a problem people have with it when nudity is drawn/illustrated as opposed to photographs. i guess because drawn nudity is coming from a specific person, but it's almost always viewed as pornography or sexual somehow. people think "well, why else would somebody draw a naked girl/boy unless it's sexual?" or something like that. just a personal theory. definitely sucks.

i'm really glad you like my Exalted stuff, thanks! i'm sorry i don't do much of it anymore, i don't get much work from White Wolf these days. :(

i don't know if i'm bending my visions because of people's narrowmindedness, because i think i'm still pushing boundaries with my characters and stuff; and if i really felt in my gut that Naga had to be nude, then i'd just do it, but i don't think it's integral to her or her story and i have bigger concerns/desires than that. to some extent it's compromising, yeah, because i'm working within a certain culture that frowns on nudity or whatever, but i WANT to compromise it. i want to work within this framework so i can get this stuff to those who may not otherwise see it or those who would dismiss it otherwise. and also so that i can subvert things from the inside!!! :mwahaha:
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DarknessbUnnie Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2009
Okay, the shark head is freakin' awesome!

I love Naga's build. It really shows just how FREAKIN' powerful this woman is! Mountain Girl indeed!
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mortmortmorty Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2009
BAHAHAHA she HAS to wear the shark head at LEAST ONCE!! :rofl:
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Chaos-turtle Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
I dunno the nudity was cool and very tribal, like her muscles and her scars were sort of like badges ,yknow showing off her rank to the rest of her tribe and displaying her competence as a fighter. just my thought
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mooncalfe Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2009
i like the nudity too, it was appropriate to her culture and a good way of showing that sort of thing wasn't taboo for them, but when dealing with publishing and the potential of reaching a younger and/or wider audience, changes must be made. ;)
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Chaos-turtle Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
yeah I totally get what you mean, stupid F.C.C I WILL NOT BE CENSORED :pissed: lol but yeah what can you do, the last thing you need is an angry mother
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mooncalfe Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2009
haha. i'm sorry!! :(

it's not so much the angry mothers, i don't mind that, parents get mad over everything these days. but i definitely have to take the parents into account because marketing, even with kids material, is basically targeted toward parents, so that forces you to do things differently. but it's mostly that i realized i wanted Mountain Girl to be more of a young adult empowering thing and potentially reach a broader, and/or younger audience, and even though i don't have a problem with it personally and there are lots of cultures on Earth that don't have a problem with it, Naga being mostly nude really limits that whether it's because of marketing or if people get turned off because she's topless, it really boxes her in. this way the book could get into the hands of younger readers who may appreciate or connect with a strong, non-white protagonist who doesn't fit constrictive conventional beauty ideals. i'm really interested in branching out into stuff for younger readers, and i think MG is the place to start. and Shadoweyes, too. ;)
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